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Ignorant Managers. Don't you just love em?

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Re: Ignorant Managers. Don't you just love em?

Post by joaorosa80 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:31 am

I wander about the best way to approach a director.
Most of them are clearly aware of the consequences of their acts, simply theyI wander about the best way to approach a director.
Most of them are clearly aware of the consequences of their acts, simply they don't want to assume that safety is not always the priority.
Ok,we do write in a paper, and after?

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Re: Ignorant Managers. Don't you just love em?

Post by bernicarey » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:40 am

I totally understand the dilemma.
One of the reasons I like being my own boss is that I can walk away from the idiots.

I had a client business which changed ownership. The new owner moved it to a larger premises and was full of big ideas.
He had a concern that the wooden fire doors in the new premises weren't strong enough to stop a break-in.
I advised him of the sort of options he had, and he went for the strongest, Steel doors with a security bar.
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On a couple of subsequent visits, not only had he positioned a large fridge right next to one of the doors and obstructed the other with an electric FLT, both doors were still bared and locked at around 11:00am. On finding this the 2nd time, having told him about it on the first occasion, he went off on one about me 'behaving like a policeman' and they didn't need to have them unlocked because the roller door was open. The said roller door was only open because a delivery was in progress.
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He thinks we parted company because he told me he didn't want to renew; I was going to double his quote so he wouldn't renew anyway.
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Re: Ignorant Managers. Don't you just love em?

Post by Messy » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:13 pm

I had a couple of customers like that Berni and it is so nice to be able to walk away.

Yep, lets have push bar panic door furniture and then have it barred and locked!! Wot a pillock. At least most people can squeeze around the forklift, but that option isn't available for the locked door! I also note a possible lack of escape signage and my favourite, badly fixed wiring above the door.

When he said you were "behaving like a Policeman", perhaps he meant you were acting with professional integrity and honesty ? :)

My bosses recently wanted a final fire exit closed for 2 years to allow for construction work. I said with 550 persons due to use it, and no suitable alternative, we would either have to decant 12.5% of of the workforce elsewhere, or change the construction method statement(s) to keep the final exit. My bosses disagreed with my findings, but did agree (on my request) to get an independent fire safety consultant in to check my findings. I won as he agreed with me. Its a constant battle, but I love a challenge :)

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Re: Ignorant Managers. Don't you just love em?

Post by bernicarey » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:43 pm

Yep.
the signage was on the list of things outstanding and I wasn't happy with him placing that great big fridge next to the door with the extension lead running around the walls.
This is another view of the fridge by the door taken on the same visit..... :roll:
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The really ironic bit is he was obsessed with the doors being strong enough but in reality, the easiest way into the premises was to go through the flimsy walls.
Just like this image I found a few years ago:
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Re: Ignorant Managers. Don't you just love em?

Post by joaorosa80 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:31 am

Totally agreed with Messy.
How much we can push, without losing our position?
I found that was in my position before did everything correctly by the shape of risk assessments...however, never formally approached senior managers for this reason.

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