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Re: Talking about Mental Health

Post by safetyninja » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:24 pm

My Pesonal opinion on CBT is i feel CBT is used by the NHS because results can be measurable so as it works on statistics so price can can created in line with estimated treatment for recover but in reality i feel people are only better when they become better i am not bad mouthing CBT as i have done training in this field and it is a great model to work from. But there is other approaches apart from a solution based within counselling which many may not be aware of which is the humanistic models such as person centred, Transactional transactional analysis and Gestalt these are great models for people to read and investigate for them selfs.

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Re: Talking about Mental Health

Post by safetygal » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:21 pm

Hi

I have just caught up on this thread, recently I have become a Mental Health First Aid Instructor,

Initially I wanted to do the course after my partners bout of depression in 2011 which nearly led to him losing his job. I see him go through anxiety with the role on a fairly regular basis and it is not just him but pretty much everyone in his office. I have seen it in the offices and sites I have worked in including having to create a stress assessment and return to work plan for a young lad who had a breakdown at work.

I found the course eye-opening, I learned things I really didn't know about self harm, suicide and depression. I met with a man who was once not unlike many of us who was depressed and was shouted at by a senior in his office so he left to try and attempt suicide.

I have never cried so much on a course before in my life. It was not what I expected, it was so much more.

Some might say but what has it got to do with Health and Safety??? Well its the Health bit for a start, we need to make sure our guys and gals are healthy enough to do the job, if they are not then how can we be sure that they are carrying out the role safely?

Stress, anxiety and depression are the biggest cause of sickness absence in workplaces - but a survey by the BBC found 65% of us feel we can't reveal that mental health issues are the reason for taking time off work - Why? because we are too afraid of the consequences.

I believe that we as Health and Safety Professionals have a duty to work at helping to end the stigma on Mental Ill Health

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Re: Talking about Mental Health

Post by Jack Kane » Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:37 pm

It's been quite some time since I posted in this topic and I'd like to share a thought or two about my journey through depression in the hope it helps somebody. It might even help me too, I'm still on my own journey.

I'm in a very different place from the first day I asked for help from the doctor about 8 years ago to where I am now. It wasn't easy asking for help at first, didn't think I needed it, didn't think anybody could do anything to help, but I'm so glad I did take the first step and ask.

Treatment over the years has included doctor appointments, anti-depressants, mood stabilising meds, psychiatrists, mental health key worker, employee assistance programme, CBT with the NHS community hospital and best of all for me, family and friends.

I've just finished my third CBT group, each of those were a couple of hours per weekly session for 5 weeks. They were Managing Depression, Assertiveness & Communication and lastly, My Recovery. Each group had around 10 people, all there with their own mental health illness and on their own journey. Not one person I met fits into any stereotype in the slightest, we are all human and these illnesses are indiscriminate.

I found all sessions fascinating. Looking into why we think the way we do, how thoughts can make us feel so different from one day to the next and how we can actually control those thoughts and feelings to a certain degree. In fact, I fascinate myself :lol:

My message today is that I feel in a much better place than I did before my treatment started 8 years ago. I will still have episodes of depression, but slowly they are becoming less frequent, less debilitating and aren't lasting as long when they do come along.

If you are a bit lost and don't know where to turn and feel like it won't get better, make that huge effort to ask for help from your family, friends, doctor or whoever you can. That first step changes your life for the better.

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Re: Talking about Mental Health

Post by nige b » Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:59 am

Just to keep this alive I work in the construction industry which has a high number of suicides one of the main groups are the over 40's , and one reason is builder tend to be nomadic moving from job to job living in a room or hotel during the week and often only seeing family for part of the weekend.
their rooms close in they dont have Friends as such wich leads to depression .

My initial step has been to do a tool box talk to the office team some of who have site responsibilities.
my 1st question was who has ever "felt depressed " out of 15 of us 8 put their hands up , some sheepishly some with confidence things just went up from there with an open discussion.
the same TBT was sent to sites with similar results. as part of the follow on were now looking in Mental 1st aid training for site AND office bods.
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Re: Talking about Mental Health

Post by Jack Kane » Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:41 pm

Cheers Nige, it's great to see these types of initiatives. The stigma of mental health issues will fade away the more and more we talk openly.

Here's a couple of links in relation to your comments..

https://www.matesinmind.org/

https://www.shponline.co.uk/mates-in-mi ... ll-health/
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Re: Talking about Mental Health

Post by nige b » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:38 pm

Just a bit of feedback on the course.
there was 14 of us 1/2 male 1/2 female when asked 75% of us had suffered some form of mental illness from a minor panic atack to full blown depression. the course is for you to take away as much as you want BUT if some subjects are too close to home you can take a time out, this instructors tell you if you do they will come and check on you after a cple of mins .
i found it very interesting learning tings about myself and one of my friends how has issues.

I can def recommend this for any one in a high stress environment
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Re: Talking about Mental Health

Post by Keith1983 » Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:21 pm

I'm definitely going to take a look. It's a really prevalent topic at my current workplace because of the interesting working conditions here at the moment. I will share it with my colleagues too. I'm looking at self funding my mental health first aid training course in the near future to not only educate myself on the matter but hopefully be someone who can help others.
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Re: Talking about Mental Health

Post by ScottD » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:02 am

I attended IOSH Scotland Conference last week and found the keynote speaker, Martin Coyd, Mace Group, an amazing speaker. He is a champion of mental health in construction and, to be honest, was mesmerised by his talk. I am looking into a mental health first aider course.
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Re: Talking about Mental Health

Post by WillPool » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:33 am

ALthough not definite yet, there maybe changes to legislation so that employers have a duty of care for mental as well as physical health:

https://www.healthandsafetyatwork.com/m ... -first-aid

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Re: Talking about Mental Health

Post by bernicarey » Fri May 03, 2019 2:53 pm

Hi All
For those that don't know, the HSE have revised the Management Standards workbook for Stress in the Workplace.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/wbk01.htm

It includes quite a bit of info, including an example of what the HSE would like to see for a 'Stress Policy'.

Also, the monopoly on 'Mental Health First Aid' training previously divided up by the national 'Mental Health First Aid' in England, Scotland & Wales has been broken.
The first aid awarding bodies, of which there are probably around 15-20, are now getting into the market place and offering Ofqual Regulated courses.

The big difference is that the OfQual courses are assessed and you have to pass it to gain the qualification.
MHFA courses get you 'a certificate of attendance'.
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Re: Talking about Mental Health

Post by CAD » Thu May 16, 2019 1:17 pm

I wanted to share my experience with this.. Was listening to LBC yesterday in relation to the Jeremy Kyle show cancellation and the man who committed suicide a week after filming on the show.

Growing up, I was in a typical old fashioned household where my dad would say stuff like "blokes don't cry" or "stop crying or i'll give you something to cry about". He never spoke about his feelings and it was only towards the end of his life that he actually told me he was proud of me.

He passed away when I was 17 after a long illness and I was his main carer. My parents had divorced the year prior so my mom was restricted in the support she could give (for the record she has been fantastic in her support with me over the years). He died from heart failure and I found him a few hours after he passed. After that, I was responsible for organising the sale of the house, the funeral etc etc. I really didn't have time to grieve. I had to grow up overnight.

Years passed, and I pushed the emotion down and I became a person that just went through the motions. Didn't really get happy nor did I get sad.

A few years later, I attended a funeral of a relative of my sister in law who had died of an unintentional drug overdose. I remember getting very angry when I got home as felt like it was such a waste. My girlfriend (now my wife) insisted that I go to the doctors as she was convinced I was ill. She was right, I went into the doctors room, and broke down. I didn't say a word, I just cried.

The doctor was fantastic, he didn't ask me any questions he said that we all need support sometimes and he referred me for counselling. It took many sessions to figure out that I never really dealt with the death of my dad.

If it wasn't for that intervention from my wife and the doctor I dread to think where I would be now.

I've had a few scary moments since (mainly work related), however the counselling taught me how to accept these emotions which has helped me massively.

I'm a different person to what I was i'm now in my early 30s and it's taken me this long to figure out what i want to do with my life. Whilst it's a little later than normal I am the happiest I've been in a long long time.

I've also seen what positive can do for people, so I am very much for a positive environment at work and at home.

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