Hi
If a new employee joins a company with a pre-existing injury and does not tell anyone at that time, starts work and has been employed for say 6 months or more, then complains that the injury has worsened and is due to have an operation, that employee then does not come to work as a result of the pain, is this classed as an LTI?
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LTI or Not?
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Re: LTI or Not?
I would consider it an LTI / RIDDOR if the work activities the person carries out are likely to have contributed to the condition worsening. I would investigate the complaint and make an assessment based on that.
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Hi Juan
Yes i agree with the solution, but let me pose another question, why is it an LTI? surely if the person has a pre existing injury known, does not declare it at interview/induction, continues working in pain until such a time they cant, takes a day off, informs manager of the pre-existing complaint, and also states they are waiting for an operation and have been for over a year? Why should it diminish a company's good H & S performance?
Yes i agree with the solution, but let me pose another question, why is it an LTI? surely if the person has a pre existing injury known, does not declare it at interview/induction, continues working in pain until such a time they cant, takes a day off, informs manager of the pre-existing complaint, and also states they are waiting for an operation and have been for over a year? Why should it diminish a company's good H & S performance?
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Re: LTI or Not?
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I don't think it would be diminishing the company's H&S performance. Incident rates are not the only way to measure H&S performance. I know it is very annoying to put it in your figures knowing what you know. I personally don't get too hung up on things like this. I would use the opportunity to show the rest of the workforce that you investigate and take all incident impartially. After conducting a thorough investigation it might turn up that the activities that this person was doing could have had some sort of injury even on a fit and well person. As well as the moral duties to investigate the incident / complaint, I would ensure everything is well documented should it come up sometime in the future. Depending on the results of your investigation, it may also be the case that you have a valid reason not to include it as LTI or RIDDOR but still document everything. That's what I would say.
I don't think it would be diminishing the company's H&S performance. Incident rates are not the only way to measure H&S performance. I know it is very annoying to put it in your figures knowing what you know. I personally don't get too hung up on things like this. I would use the opportunity to show the rest of the workforce that you investigate and take all incident impartially. After conducting a thorough investigation it might turn up that the activities that this person was doing could have had some sort of injury even on a fit and well person. As well as the moral duties to investigate the incident / complaint, I would ensure everything is well documented should it come up sometime in the future. Depending on the results of your investigation, it may also be the case that you have a valid reason not to include it as LTI or RIDDOR but still document everything. That's what I would say.
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Re: LTI or Not?
Hello - I see this differently from Juan Carlos (no disrespect to your answer Juan) but I would be checking your employment process.
If the question about pre existing conditions was asked before job was offered - and the employee failed to answer honestly - then signed the declaration that all information provided was true - then he is in breach of contract.
Personally I would be looking to cancel this chaps contract on this basis.
If this chap came to you from an agency - send him back as unfit for the job they were supposed to help you fill.
If your employment process is not robust - and he is past his probation period, then I may be inclined to support him but would need more information.
All in all an HR issue.
Dave
If the question about pre existing conditions was asked before job was offered - and the employee failed to answer honestly - then signed the declaration that all information provided was true - then he is in breach of contract.
Personally I would be looking to cancel this chaps contract on this basis.
If this chap came to you from an agency - send him back as unfit for the job they were supposed to help you fill.
If your employment process is not robust - and he is past his probation period, then I may be inclined to support him but would need more information.
All in all an HR issue.
Dave
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