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LOLER Appointed Person

Post by toecutter » Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:28 pm

Does anyone know if LOLER Appointed Person training has an expiry or decay period? I can't find anything in the LOLER ACOP. We've got a guy who did the course in 2006, there's no expiry or anything on the certificate but that does seem like a long time ago...

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Re: LOLER Appointed Person

Post by Smudger207 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:18 pm

Hi Toecutter,

There is no re-validation period for the course but refresher training is recommended every 2 years. :)

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Re: LOLER Appointed Person

Post by bernicarey » Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:28 am

Unlike FAW, there is no set training for a LOLER 'Appointed person', in fact there is no such role as far as the law is concerned, only a 'competent person.
If you look at the ACOP L113 http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/l113.pdf you will only find one mention of an 'AP' and that is para 226
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BS 7121 series of standards contains recommendations for the safe use of cranes, including planning of lifting operations. In this series of standards the competent person for planning lifting operations is referred to as the appointed person. The principles contained in this series of standards can be applied to the use of other types of lifting equipment.
The mere fact that you can look on-line for LOLER Appointed Person courses and soon discover they typically range from 2 to 5 Days and a price range up to £3,000 give you an idea of what is occurring. Especially as the 5 Day course is not the most expensive.
Some examples:
5 Days/£1,250 http://www.citb.co.uk/national-construc ... tions-a61/
3 Days/£3,000 http://www.nhbc.co.uk/Productsandservic ... perations/
5 Days/£865 https://www.cbs-tct.co.uk/Guests/GuestC ... f=CPCSA61N

I would say that it very much depends on the industry you are in and the expectations of that industry (and your insurance company might have a view too).
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Re: LOLER Appointed Person

Post by toecutter » Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:01 pm

Many thanks for the replies. I suppose the company's been happy to consider this guy competent on the strength of his having attended an AP course. There is a fair bit of lifting that goes on, so until now I think that's been accepted as maintaining his competence.

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Re: LOLER Appointed Person

Post by ddlh » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:12 pm

I would ask for a copy of his CV and call some of the companies listed to confirm that he has been keeping his competencies up to date and there have been no incidents.

At the end of the day you have the duty of care to ensure you contract competent people

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