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Hi,

Would it be possible for some advise on the training required for employees to carry out arc welding?
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Are we talking about someone who is going to be employed as a welder or someone who may do a small amount of welding now and again as I'd expect different levels of competence? What kind of material are they going to be welding and what welding process will they be using?
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K_aren wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:43 am Hi,

Would it be possible for some advise on the training required for employees to carry out arc welding?
It would be the same training required to be any welder really, normally an apprenticeship and they can prove their competency via a trade test if required.

Its not just a case of letting someone practice welding for a few days, its a proper trade, be it arc welding, submerged arc welding etc....
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Whilst Dodds has got a valid point, I'm with fs1982 on this; it all depends on what is being welded and why.

Is it structural, is it safety critical, etc?
Taking extreme examples, there's a range from someone dabbling in welding as an artist trying something different (I'll just make a quick bodge of this and win the Turner prize) to someone welding critical parts in a multi-billion industrial complex. ;)
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bernicarey wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:39 pm Whilst Dodds has got a valid point, I'm with fs1982 on this; it all depends on what is being welded and why.

Is it structural, is it safety critical, etc?
Taking extreme examples, there's a range from someone dabbling in welding as an artist trying something different (I'll just make a quick bodge of this and win the Turner prize) to someone welding critical parts in a multi-billion industrial complex. ;)
But then someone bodging about in their own garage isn't a workplace, the HSE aren't interested, same as if you're fixing up your car etc...

When it comes to being employed as a welder then you would have to go through some sort of apprenticeship or other kind of training scheme. The finished product doesn't come into it with regards to a persons training, they still need to be competent to weld.

(PS, I work for a welding specialist company)
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I didn't say I was talking about boddging about in their own garage, I said it was ...
Taking extreme examples,
You could train someone to do just one repetitive job, or you could train them to be a Welder, with the versatility to do any task (within their skill set).
No different for any other industry.
You can have someone with the skills of a 'mechanic' or a 'technician'.
They can be trained to 'level 1' or to 'Level 5'.
etc
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No different apart from its a skilled trade you mean?
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Dodds wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:46 pm No different apart from its a skilled trade you mean?
Like any other trade or profession, there are different levels of skill.

Like I said, different levels....
https://www.cityandguilds.com/qualifica ... nformation
City & Guilds welding courses are designed for a range of abilities: from beginners who need basic welding training, to experienced welders who want to develop specialist skills.
Our Level 1 welding courses are ideal for anyone who wants to become a welder and is new to welding, metal fabrication, thermal cutting and/or brazing and soldering.

Our Level 2 welding courses are aimed at anyone already working in the industry who wants to develop their welding skills further and advance their career.

Our Level 3 welding courses are for experienced welders who need a qualification to progress to complex welding work and quality control.
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bernicarey wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:18 pm
Dodds wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:46 pm No different apart from its a skilled trade you mean?
Like any other trade or profession, there are different levels of skill.

Like I said, different levels....
https://www.cityandguilds.com/qualifica ... nformation
City & Guilds welding courses are designed for a range of abilities: from beginners who need basic welding training, to experienced welders who want to develop specialist skills.
Our Level 1 welding courses are ideal for anyone who wants to become a welder and is new to welding, metal fabrication, thermal cutting and/or brazing and soldering.

Our Level 2 welding courses are aimed at anyone already working in the industry who wants to develop their welding skills further and advance their career.

Our Level 3 welding courses are for experienced welders who need a qualification to progress to complex welding work and quality control.
Basically confirming what I'm saying. They need a qualification of sorts.

I don't see many other trades with levels. You're either a joiner or not. A car mechanic or not. A plumber or not. Etc.

You're either a welder or not. You may be a semi skilled worker who knows how to weld, that does not make you a welder though.

Anyway. Enough. Cheers.
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I don't see many other trades with levels. You're either a joiner or not. A car mechanic or not. A plumber or not. Etc.
Ummmm...
Perhaps you should try looking at the C&G website before you make such comments.


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Ha. No thanks!
Too busy bodgering in my garage with a welding plant :wave:
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Dodds,

I don't think that anyone is disputing the fact that the person needs to be competent but the original post asked for advise on what training would be suitable and for that I feel that the training needs to relevant to the type of work they are going to be doing.

As an example, my local college (in Scotland) offer various courses in welding including Welding Skills (SQCF Level 5), NC (SCQF Level 6), HNC (SCQF Level 7) and a full Modern Apprenticeship (SCQF Level 7). Now I work for a welding company and would be looking for my welders to have, or in the case of apprentices, be working towards one of the Level 7 qualifications but for someone carrying out very basic welding once in a blue moon the Level 5 course may be sufficient; Note that I say MAY BE as it really depends on the type of welding that the person is expected to carry out and in what circumstances.

Also what will be relevant is what experience the said individual has to date; the individual might never have touched a piece of welding equipment in their life or they might actually already be a fairly competent welder obtaining skills outwith their working life without any formal qualifications.
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