Good Morning All
In a pickle re: rescue equipment for confined space entry.I have read through the previous threads but cannot see a comment which can help just now.
In the client's company procedure - indicates Medic will advise on rescue equipment and that's the end of it ! We have tried to get specific guidance or a suggested standard across the fleet but totally fobbed off by HSE management ( apologies but true )
I work on a vessel ( new-build last year) with numerous tank and confined spaces which are incrediably difficult to access with overpipes, horizontal acrobatics and just about enough space to clear shoulders to enter.
We have the usual systems in place - PTW, TB, RA ( rescue - medic!),gas detector testing,full body harness, have rescuers with BA and medic (with medical kit) on standby at entry point then comes the pickle! I have Neil Robertson stretcher and Scoop stretcher only, we do not have tripod and winch as space too tight/obstructed by overhead pipes etc, to erect and CO feels not safe due to movement of the vessel at sea ( we do not normally do tank entries in heavy weather obviously). If necessary though, have SWL padeyes and shackles/ ropes
Any specific suggestion or people (maritime) you have consulted to advise ? Is there a specific piece of kit that is recommended? The only other option would be a KED but as it is intended to protect the spine, naturally- no flexibility to get through the access/exit point. Some spaces require to enter vertically (short distance) then advance horizontally.
All assistance greatly appreciated
WB
Rescue Equipment - Confined Space Entry
Moderator: Moderators
- colinaugust57
- Grand Shidoshi
- Posts: 2651
- Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:30 pm
- 14
- Occupation: none at moment - home studying
- Location: Bletchley, Milton Keynes
Re: Rescue Equipment - Confined Space Entry
Hi Waterbaby
sorry, no specific advice from me, I have found these http://www.shipownersclub.com/media/198 ... _entry.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.standard-club.com/docs/AMast ... eEntry.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Chances are you already have something similar - sections include Entry and Rescue equipment / Rescue from enclosed space.
I hope they are of some help, and hopefully someone will pop in and add further for you.
Colin
sorry, no specific advice from me, I have found these http://www.shipownersclub.com/media/198 ... _entry.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.standard-club.com/docs/AMast ... eEntry.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Chances are you already have something similar - sections include Entry and Rescue equipment / Rescue from enclosed space.
I hope they are of some help, and hopefully someone will pop in and add further for you.
Colin
A failure ! Me ? Rubbish, I have never been a success
- Waterbaby
- HSfB Moderator
- Posts: 4714
- Joined: Sat Jul 23, 2011 10:53 am
- 12
- Industry Sector: Medical
- Location: Ireland
- Has thanked: 216 times
- Been thanked: 472 times
Re: Rescue Equipment - Confined Space Entry
Colin - You are a true gentleman on this Good Friday, thank you
WB
WB
#DrowningPrevention, #RespectTheWater
-
- Jnr Member
- Posts: 110
- Joined: Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:53 pm
- 17
- Occupation: HSEQ Advisor
- Location: Aberdeen
Re: Rescue Equipment - Confined Space Entry
In the past, we've resorted to rigging up rope on to harness where there's not enough room for tripod etc...as long as we could rescue the guy doing the job, i.e. 2 standby men with big strong arms to drag the guy out if necessary. No doubt some people will get all *** about this, but when your guys have to do the job and you want to make sure they're safe, it does what it says on the tin. If you don't have the luxury of the finer things in life, be pragmatic!
Last edited by Jack Kane on Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: Changed your sweary word
Reason: Changed your sweary word
Duck tape! It's the only solution to the transit blues!
- Waterbaby
- HSfB Moderator
- Posts: 4714
- Joined: Sat Jul 23, 2011 10:53 am
- 12
- Industry Sector: Medical
- Location: Ireland
- Has thanked: 216 times
- Been thanked: 472 times
Re: Rescue Equipment - Confined Space Entry
Good Morning Oilfield
That's exactly the concensus amongst my medical fleet colleagues but thought to check if anyone has any ideas or experiences which would make it slightly less 'make it up as you go along' when in a critical situation!!
Have to make sure our rescuers have the best available in the way of kit, and make sure they don't get injuried in the attempt
WB
That's exactly the concensus amongst my medical fleet colleagues but thought to check if anyone has any ideas or experiences which would make it slightly less 'make it up as you go along' when in a critical situation!!
Have to make sure our rescuers have the best available in the way of kit, and make sure they don't get injuried in the attempt
WB
#DrowningPrevention, #RespectTheWater
-
- Student
- Posts: 59
- Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:22 am
- 14
- Industry Sector: offshore
- Has thanked: 2 times
Re: Rescue Equipment - Confined Space Entry
Good evening,
Hope i can add a little input here that may help,
I note that you have the normal PTW, RA,TBT in place ....but where is The Emergency Response Plan.?
C/S rescue needs to be carried out every month , on the windfarm project i am on,
worst case scenario for us is, 2 operatives in a C/S, Gas alarm goes off, 1 operative falls and breaks a leg,..
op[erative places emergency rebreather hood on himsef, a hood on the injured person....then the fun begins!!
a tripod is inplace above the c/s, injured person secured in neil robertson stretcher ( good stretcher)
then the 2 rescue team members in full B/A use a retrieval winch which is horiffically physically challenging to pull up an 95 kg person, takes 10-15 mins....
solution. a 3-1 pulley which makes a 95 kg person become 15kg, but.... you do need no head height restriction to set up from a certified lifting point , with SWL clearly marked...
I am aware of the challenging scenario you are involved in...these emergency drills must be carried out regularly by competent operatives,
ie, confined space rescue,,,, working at heights with rescue.
no medic on our job, all operatrives competent in first aid, ( although i do appreciate the neewd for a medic onboard a vessel)
confined space rescue should be carried out by Rescue Team, with medic in attendance,
we use 2 gas detectors, 1 at place of work, 1 at confined space hatch,( to monitor atmosphere during rescue)
again practice of this rescue is essential.. been there and done them.. photograph and document drill, times recorded,
when drill is finished record a group ' lessons learnt'
practice, practice, practice,
oh and yes in a real life scenario i would and have done anything to get 1 of my team out..
hope this helps.
Hope i can add a little input here that may help,
I note that you have the normal PTW, RA,TBT in place ....but where is The Emergency Response Plan.?
C/S rescue needs to be carried out every month , on the windfarm project i am on,
worst case scenario for us is, 2 operatives in a C/S, Gas alarm goes off, 1 operative falls and breaks a leg,..
op[erative places emergency rebreather hood on himsef, a hood on the injured person....then the fun begins!!
a tripod is inplace above the c/s, injured person secured in neil robertson stretcher ( good stretcher)
then the 2 rescue team members in full B/A use a retrieval winch which is horiffically physically challenging to pull up an 95 kg person, takes 10-15 mins....
solution. a 3-1 pulley which makes a 95 kg person become 15kg, but.... you do need no head height restriction to set up from a certified lifting point , with SWL clearly marked...
I am aware of the challenging scenario you are involved in...these emergency drills must be carried out regularly by competent operatives,
ie, confined space rescue,,,, working at heights with rescue.
no medic on our job, all operatrives competent in first aid, ( although i do appreciate the neewd for a medic onboard a vessel)
confined space rescue should be carried out by Rescue Team, with medic in attendance,
we use 2 gas detectors, 1 at place of work, 1 at confined space hatch,( to monitor atmosphere during rescue)
again practice of this rescue is essential.. been there and done them.. photograph and document drill, times recorded,
when drill is finished record a group ' lessons learnt'
practice, practice, practice,
oh and yes in a real life scenario i would and have done anything to get 1 of my team out..
hope this helps.
- Waterbaby
- HSfB Moderator
- Posts: 4714
- Joined: Sat Jul 23, 2011 10:53 am
- 12
- Industry Sector: Medical
- Location: Ireland
- Has thanked: 216 times
- Been thanked: 472 times
Re: Rescue Equipment - Confined Space Entry
Good Morning johnnyboy and All
Thank you for comments
The practice element is mandated by SOLAS with Confined Space Rescue Drills every 2 weeks.
Medics are on this client's vessels as we go to quite far-flung places - Greenland, Uruguay doesn't have much by way of SAR/RAF/Coastguard for medium-long-range distances etc
I think client and thankfully the crew ! believes the medics are L'Oreal
WB
Thank you for comments
The practice element is mandated by SOLAS with Confined Space Rescue Drills every 2 weeks.
Medics are on this client's vessels as we go to quite far-flung places - Greenland, Uruguay doesn't have much by way of SAR/RAF/Coastguard for medium-long-range distances etc
I think client and thankfully the crew ! believes the medics are L'Oreal
WB
#DrowningPrevention, #RespectTheWater